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Michael Zapf, DPM, Darren Payne, DPM

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Thank you for visiting the web site of DrsZapf, Payne, Robinson and Benson all practicing in two offices in the Conejo Valley. Our practice name is the Agoura-Los Robles Podiatry Centers. We have combined over 60 years of experience to better serve our patients. Dr. Michael Zapf is mostly responsible for hte content of this web site.. This site is intended for the patients of The Conejo- Los Robles Podiatry Centers. If you are not a patient, you are still welcome to visit the site and learn what you can about your problem. But the doctors cannot assume any responsibility for your care and cannot offer you any medical advice. You need to see your own professional. Your problem may well be different from what you think it is, even with the help of this site. Please note that all information and photographs on this site are copyrighted by the Conejo - Los Robles Podiatry Centers and cannot be used for any private or commercial use.


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Sometimes we doctors need to let off some steam. The following is a discussion I had with my billing manager, Sandi, about Mr. H. He called to complain about his bill. My question to you, dear reader, is should I send this to him or not?

From Sandi:

Hi Dr. Zapf,  A patient came into the office today to dispute his bill.  He says he came in and saw you for 2 minutes to confirm his evaluation from another doctor. We charged for an intermediate office visit, Blue Cross allowed $87.87 and it all went to his deductible.  He thinks 2 minutes shouldn't equate to $87.87, you know the thought process...

 I wanted to e-mail you so I'd keep it fresh in my mind. Reversing the charge doesn't seem right; it was the only thing billed that date and he did come to see you. I think people just don't understand what the doctorin'  business is all about.  Did he think an office visit was supposed to be free?  Doncha just love these?

My reply:

Dear Mr. H.,

Sandy told me about the questions you have regarding my bill. I guess if I was in your position I would also have these questions. But I feel it my duty to explain a few things to you, from my perspective.

First, regarding the charge, I billed you the average fee for any doctor for a first visit, it has a code number of  99203 and it means an “average visit”. We charge $123 for this average visit. Your insurance company, in this case Blue Cross, approved only $87.87 of my bill.

You stated that the visit “only took 2 minutes”. But you know what, even if we only met together for 2 minutes, there was much more involved than that. It took probably 2 minutes for my front office person to schedule the appointment; that is if you never called to change the appointment date (which many people do). When you came to the office it took at least two minutes to put your paper work into a chart and copy your insurance information. When the visit was over it took another minute to process the superbill and another minute to file you chart in the chart system. Your chart and the papers it contains, by the way, probably costs us about $2.00 considering the purchase and/or copy costs involved. When it came time to bill your insurance it took at least 2 minutes to enter your information into the computer and process the claim. I am charged a fee from the company which electronically processes your claim. Blue Cross, by the way, required us to submit the claim electronically or they charge us an extra fee to send in a paper claim. When we get the insurance statement it takes another two minutes to enter that information into the computer and another 2 minutes a few days later when we printed out the claim and sent it to your house to collect the amount owed. When you came in it took another 2 minutes to talk with you and it will take another 2 minutes every time we have to process your claim if it was not paid in full with the first billing. In a year or two it will take 2 minutes to move your file from its current home to long term storage. It will take 2 minutes to record your information in a log file so we know just where your chart is filed. There is also a fee we are charged to store files and a small portion of this fee is allocated to you. How many minutes are we up to now? Maybe they were not all with me but all those 2 minutes of people’s time must be paid out of your payment. Blue Cross understands that every doctor incurs these fees with every new patient and allocates a little extra payment for a new patient visit.

We set aside 30 minutes of our time for a first visit. (Sometimes the visit takes 2 minutes and sometimes the visit takes 90 minutes) That is 30 minutes of my time and at least one back office person. Since we had no way of knowing that you only needed 2 minutes, we give you the full 30 minutes. That is better in the long run than to hear you complain that you needed 30 minutes to explain your problem and were only scheduled for 2. Can you see this argument “What do you mean you can only see me for 2 minutes … it takes me longer than that to remove my shoes…?”

I am sorry but $87 for 30 minutes in a doctor’s office is not much money. Have a plumber come to your house for 30 minutes and what do you pay? (You have probably heard the joke where the plumber says “Yes, I know, that’s why I switched from being a doctor to being a plumber”) Without giving you a litany of the expenses of running a medical office I will tell you that making $87 every 30 minutes for six hours a day does not make one rich when you subtract expenses for the offices, employees and malpractice insurance. I am not complaining and I am not uncomfortable, but it is not an unreasonable amount of money.

A side comment about fees. Doctors do not exactly get paid by the hour. They get paid by the job based on certain guidelines. In this case the job was to give you an opinion about a procedure. I have 16 years of experience [more now since this was written in 2002] and 6 years of medical education for a grand total of 22 years at podiatry after graduating from UCLA with a master’s degree. You are getting a heck of an opinion for your 2 minutes. I will argue that my opinion in 2 minutes is better than others you can get for 30 minutes, even if they charged you less. If you are unhappy about my expertise, please let me know. What would you value more, a 2-minute opinion on a proposed foot surgery from an expert or a 60 minute opinion from your cousin, brother-in-law, or your plumber?  

Now to the concept of the deductible. Blue Cross requires you to pay to some doctor the FIRST $200 or $250 or $500 of expenses every year. Sometimes it is you family doctor, sometimes your heart doctor and sometimes it is to your foot doctor. But you are required to pay it to somebody at some time. We will get in trouble with Blue Cross if we do not collect the deductible. Insurance companies consider it fraud to not collect deductibles. They figure that the doctor is giving the patient an unfair incentive to accept a service. This year the medical lottery has you paying the first $87 to me. It is just my luck that you are healthy. If you were unlucky enough to need to see two doctors before me this year, then you would have had to pay your deductible to them. Blue Cross would have written me a check for $87 and we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

As a side note, you do have some control over the amount of the deductible you have to pay. If you pay more every month for your insurance premium, you could have a lower deductible. If you pay them less every month you will have a higher deductible. Do you see the logic here: you pay them more and me less or them less and me more. Next year when your enrollment comes around voluntarily agree to pay more per month and you will have a lower deductible. The three variables that insurance companies use to determine your rates are the deductible amounts ($100, $200, $500 or $1000), the amount of your office visit co-payment ($10, $20, $30 or $40) and the percentage of the total charge they pay (90-10 or 80-20 or 70-30).

If after reading this you still think I charged too much I will agree to charge you whatever you think is fair. I will have to “rebill” the insurance company at the lower rate and they will, in turn, “approve” a lower amount. This will, in turn, reassign a portion of your deductible to another of your doctor visits. You will still end up paying for every portion of your deductible, just not to me.

Please call Sandi and let her know how you want to proceed.

Sincerely,

Michael Zapf, D.P.M.

   

 

 

 

 

 

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